What if, in the future, everything breaks humanity's way? Possible is an award-winning, weekly podcast that sketches out the brightest version of the future—and...
Fei-Fei Li on spatial intelligence and human-centered AI
How can we use AI to amplify human potential and build a better future? And what exactly does “AGI” even mean?
To kick off Possible’s fourth season, Reid and Aria sit down with world-renowned computer scientist Fei-Fei Li, whose work in artificial intelligence over the past several decades has earned her the nickname “the godmother of AI.” An entrepreneur and professor, Fei-Fei shares her journey from creating ImageNet, a massive dataset of labeled images that revolutionized computer vision, to her current role as co-founder and CEO of the spatial intelligence startup World Labs. She explains why spatial intelligence—the ability to perceive and interact with the 3D world—is so crucial for AI's development and how it could lead to breakthroughs in fields like medicine, climate, and education. They get into regulatory guardrails, governance, and what it will take to build a positive, human-centered AI future for all.
For more info on the podcast and transcripts of all the episodes, visit https://www.possible.fm/podcast/
Topics:
1:55 - Hellos and intros
3:43 - ImageNet and the interplay between data and models
6:06 - World Labs and spatial intelligence
10:03 - Boundaries between 3D physical and digital worlds
11:50 - The difference between LLMs and LWMs
13:02 - What humans are capable of creating with technology
14:04 - Key principles of AI: human agency and respect
17:16 - Stanford Institute for Human-Centered AI
19:13 - What this moment in AI means for humanity
21:06 - Cross-sector collaboration
25:10 - AI4ALL program and the importance of diversity in AI development
27:00 - Midroll ad break
27:09 - Using AI to improve healthcare delivery and treatment
30:20 - Founding history of AI and the meaning of the term “AGI”
33:00 - Future of agentic AI and voice
34:42 - Fei-Fei’s mentor and his advice
37:18 - Rapid-fire questions
Possible is an award-winning podcast that sketches out the brightest version of the future—and what it will take to get there. Most of all, it asks: what if, in the future, everything breaks humanity's way? Tune in for grounded and speculative takes on how technology—and, in particular, AI—is inspiring change and transforming the future. Hosted by Reid Hoffman and Aria Finger, each episode features an interview with an ambitious builder or deep thinker on a topic, from art to geopolitics and from healthcare to education. These conversations also showcase another kind of guest: AI. Whether it's Inflection’s Pi, OpenAI’s ChatGPT or other AI tools, each episode will use AI to enhance and advance our discussion about what humanity could possibly get right if we leverage technology—and our collective effort—effectively.
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PRESENTING: Pioneers of AI with Dr. Rana El Kaliouby and Musician Taryn Southern
Pioneers of AI is your weekly guide to the AI frontier. Each week, host Dr. Rana el Kaliouby (AI scientist, investor, author, co-founder of Affectiva) is joined by the leading creators, critics, and thinkers behind mind-blowing technology and asks the important questions about how artificial intelligence is changing the way we live.
In this episode: Creating and sharing art is a uniquely human experience. With the rise of AI, creative processes are shifting, but Taryn Southern doesn’t think that means art becomes any less human. As a storyteller and technologist, Southern uses AI to push the limits of her creativity. She also works to help fellow artists and everyday people embrace the potential of AI. Southern joins Pioneers of AI to talk about what partnering with AI to make art looks like, how she assembled a team of chatbots to create a festival trailer, and what it was like making the first album co-written by AI.
Learn more about Pioneers of AI: http://pioneersof.ai/
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Artful Intelligence | Ep 3: Paul Trillo on Music Video x AI
What does it take to create something the world has never seen before?
In this final episode of Artful Intelligence, Reid Hoffman and Chris McLeod explore what it takes to spark a creative revolution with filmmaker Paul Trillo. Using OpenAI’s groundbreaking AI video generator, Sora, Paul directed the world’s first fully AI-generated music video.
After gaining early access to Sora, Paul faced a massive creative challenge: How could he use an AI tool known for surreal, dream-like visuals to craft a music video that felt emotionally real? The answer came from embracing AI’s quirks—its strange hallucinations, its unpredictable transformations—and writing prompts like poetic scripts to guide the machine’s creative output.
Join us as Paul reveals how he turned an experimental AI model into an award-winning music video—and how creators everywhere can harness emerging tech to redefine what’s possible in art.
Time Stamps:
Part 1: To Create a Paradigm Shift with AI, Lean Into Its Constraints
07:25 - Paul Trillo discovers OpenAI’s AI video generator, Sora
09:46 - Navigating early uncertainty about AI’s impact on filmmaking
12:09 - Directing under creative constraints during COVID with The Shins’ “The Great Divide”
16:57 - Making emotionally resonant art despite technological limits
19:09 - Reid: What advice would you give someone running into constraints with AI tools?
Part 2: Paradigm Shifts Often Come from Reviving Old, Impossible Ideas
23:01 - Paul’s early experiments with Sora push AI video limits
24:34 - Resurrecting old creative concepts from his “Graveyard of Ideas”
25:59 - Inspired by Carl Sagan’s “Golden Record” and its sci-fi storytelling potential
28:49 - Creating a surreal AI-generated trailer blending historical and futuristic imagery
30:21 - Revisiting a decade-old “infinite zoom” concept for a music video
35:05 - Reid: How do paradigm shifts in AI go beyond just replicating older tech?
Part 3: Excavating Right at the Edge of What’s Possible Today
37:45 - Writing “alchemy-like” prompts to guide AI’s hallucinations
40:19 - Blending AI’s surreal misremembered details into an emotional story
42:36 - Generating 700 videos and 320 minutes of AI footage for the music video
44:56 - Reid: What kind of impossible ideas might AI make possible?
Links:
“The Hardest Part” Music Video by Washed Out. Directed by Paul Trillo:
https://vimeo.com/941713443
“The Golden Record” by Paul Trillo:
https://vimeo.com/927400626
“The Great Divide” by The Shins. Directed by Paul Trillo:
https://vimeo.com/461473136
Infinite Zoom in Manhattan:
https://vimeo.com/paultrillo
Paul Trillo on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/paultrillo
Will Smith eating Spaghetti (example of early AI video generation):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQr4Xklqzw8
Reid AI:
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/reidhoffman_the-nobel-prize-award-ceremony-took-place-activity-7272418124639928320-ZyMn/
Show Description:
Artful Intelligence explores the thrilling intersection of creativity and artificial intelligence. Hosted by Chris McLeod, this mini-series dives into the stories of groundbreaking artists using AI to push the boundaries of what’s possible.
Each episode showcases how human ingenuity and machine learning collaborate to create the extraordinary. With thought-provoking contributions from Reid Hoffman, Artful Intelligence asks bold questions about the future of creativity: Can AI amplify human expression? How do we ensure it empowers rather than replaces us?
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Artful Intelligence | Ep 2: Elise Swopes on Photography x AI
How can you shape the future with AI to create the world you want to live in?
Reid Hoffman and Chris McLeod explore this question with Elise Swopes, a trailblazing visual artist and educator blending AI with photography. Currently an evangelist for Adobe, Elise has been a creative force since the early days of Instagram, crafting surreal visuals for brands such as Adidas, McDonald’s, Casamigos, and Sony. But her journey hasn’t been without challenges. From online harassment to personal struggles, she’s faced adversity with resilience, using her art to shape a brighter, more inclusive future.
Join us as we traverse her path—while Reid reflects on AI’s evolving role in fostering creativity and meaningful human expression. Can AI ever replace human style, or will the future of art always require a human touch?
Time Stamps:
02:14 - Chris McLeod intros the series
Part 1: Shape Your Tools Because They Will Shape You and Your Future
07:07 - How Elise discovered AI and overcame early backlash
09:26 - Building websites and creating digital art as a kid
11:26 - Teaching creativity online and the power of sharing knowledge
17:03 - Reid: How can we foster more constructive conversations about AI?
Part 2: The Right Networks Will Amplify Your Voice Without Losing It
17:13 - Using AI tools to redefine creative possibilities
19:29 - Elise’s journey from public school to creative entrepreneurship
21:26 - Brand collaborations with Nike, McDonald’s, and Casamigos
23:36 - Navigating higher education on her own terms
25:12 - Reid: What would a “better future with AI” look like for artists?
Part 3: Taste and Style Are Your Competitive Advantage in Shaping the Era of AI
27:50 - How artists can shape AI’s future through experimentation
31:31 - Elise’s creative process with Adobe Firefly and AI-generated art
33:52 - Reid: Could AI make human artistic style obsolete?
41:16 - Elise reflects on personal growth and creative freedom
Links:
Swopes’ Website:
https://www.swopes.info/
Swopes on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/swopes
Swopes AI piece discussed in the episode:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5D0rFJOEzf/?igsh=MWgwNDU1cms1a3I2
Swopes’ TEDx Talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joWNKJlf8N0
Show Description:
Artful Intelligence explores the thrilling intersection of creativity and artificial intelligence. Hosted by Chris McLeod, this mini-series dives into the stories of groundbreaking artists using AI to push the boundaries of what’s possible.
Each episode showcases how human ingenuity and machine learning collaborate to create the extraordinary. With thought-provoking contributions from Reid Hoffman, Artful Intelligence asks bold questions about the future of creativity: Can AI amplify human expression? How do we ensure it empowers rather than replaces us?
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Introducing: Artful Intelligence | Ep 1: Malick Lombion on Hyperlapse x AI
What if you could create the impossible with AI?
In this debut episode of Artful Intelligence, Chris McLeod introduces us to Montreal-based filmmaker Malick Lombion, whose groundbreaking technique, Hyperlapse X AI, is redefining video art. Malick combines hyperlapse cinematography with cutting-edge AI tools like DALL-E to compress time, space, and reality into surreal and mesmerizing visuals.
Malick pushed AI to its creative limits, proving that human ingenuity and machine learning can work in tandem to unlock new dimensions of art. Reid Hoffman and Chris explore what it takes to innovate at this level: the right partnerships, a willingness to fail publicly, and a commitment to going all in.
Discover how Malick’s work inspired a new wave of video creators—and what it says about the future of creativity in an AI-driven world.
For more info on the podcast and transcripts of all the episodes, visit https://www.possible.fm/podcast/
Time Stamps:
Introduction
00:01 – Artful Intelligence introduction.
02:36 – Chris and Reid discuss the central question: Can AI amplify human creativity?
04:08 – A brief history of cinematic breakthroughs, from Georges Méliès to hyperlapse.
08:13 – Malick explains Hyperlapse x AI.
Part 1: The Right Humans Are Required
10:01 – Malick discovers DALL-E 2 and its potential for groundbreaking visuals.
10:55 – Malick teams up with Manuel Sainsily to create Hyperlapse x AI.
12:26 – A long and tedious process.
13:35 – Reid Hoffman on the value of diverse collaborators in AI innovation.
Part 2: Plan on Failure in a Public Way
18:39 – Malick gets an offer to work with Insta360.
20:45 – Public experimentation on Instagram leads Malick to hyperlapse videos.
23:08 – Trial and error with a 10-foot selfie stick.
26:39 – Reid Hoffman on iterative deployment and learning from failure.
Part 3: Once You Know Where You’re Going, Go All In
31:26 – Malick begins transforming his 360 footage into a Hyperlapse x AI video.
32:16 – Malick moves from Guadeloupe to Montreal, fully committing to his passion for video creation.
37:09 – Malick completes his breakthrough video.
40:33 – Malick’s Hyperlapse x AI video goes viral.
Outro
49:19 – Chris reflects on Malick’s journey and previews the next episode in the series.
Links:
Malick Lombion’s Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/malick.fr?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==
Malick’s Hyperlapse x AI video with the Insta360 camera
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiPyY1VAv6I/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
An updated version of Malick’s and Manuel Sainsily’s first Hyperlapse x AI video
https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChNyS6iAEA8/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
What if, in the future, everything breaks humanity's way? Possible is an award-winning, weekly podcast that sketches out the brightest version of the future—and what it will take to get there. Hosts Reid Hoffman and Aria Finger explore what’s possible with forward-thinking leaders, deep thinkers, and ambitious builders across many fields, such as technology, art, education and healthcare. These conversations center on the ways technology—and, in particular, AI—is shaping the future. In episodes, AI tools such as OpenAI’s GPT-4 and Inflection’s Pi are at work, offering informational asides, prompting guests, or demoing what they can do. Lastly, between guest episodes, Aria interviews her co-host Reid on his latest takes on what’s possible if we use technology—and our collective effort—effectively.