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Podcast Seize & Desist
Asset Reality
Welcome to Seize & Desist - the first podcast to explore the fascinating and complex world of seized assets. In this show, Asset Reality co-founder and CEO A...

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  • Ep. 19: Asset Laundering:
It’s More Than Money with Oliver Bullough
    “This is the model of Italian Renaissance banking.”In this episode of Seize & Desist, host Aidan Larkin sits down with renowned financial crime journalist Oliver Bullough, author of Moneyland (2019) and Butler to the World (2022), to discuss why global money laundering continues to be an uphill battle despite decades of international effort.Aidan and Oliver explore the roots and evolution of money laundering, from the Medici's of Renaissance Italy to the offshore shell companies of the Caribbean and the digital currencies of the future.They also touch upon the UK’s pivotal role in facilitating illegal financial flows, the advent of hawala banking networks and the systemic challenges that impede effective asset recovery.Timestamps00:00 - Exploring the UK's Role in Money Laundering and Corruption03:54 - Complex Global Money Laundering Challenges11:23 - The Evolution of Value Transfer Systems Through History16:06 - Rethinking Financial Crime Compliance22:32 - Money Laundering's Influence on Global Crime26:41 - The Role of Cash and Crypto in Crime Networks30:45 - The Global Fight Against Money Laundering38:28 - Recovering Covid-Related Fraud Payments42:04 - Combating Corruption and Money LaunderingResources MentionedOliver Bullough on The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/profile/oliverbullough Books by Oliver Bullough:Moneyland (2019)- https://amzn.eu/d/ezB43Rv Butler to the World (2022) - https://amzn.eu/d/gaqVRE9 About our GuestOliver Bullough is an award-winning journalist and author of Moneyland (2019) and Butler to the World (2022). He is known for his in-depth reporting on offshore finances and the role of the UK in facilitating corruption, with his work regularly being featured in the Guardian, the New York Times, GQ magazine, the Economist, and other places. DisclaimerOur podcasts are for informational purposes only. They are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, and/or investment advice. Listeners must consult their own advisors before making decisions on the topics discussed. Asset Reality has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Asset Reality employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Asset Reality does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material. Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Asset Reality.
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  • Ep. 18: The Legal Landscape of Asset Forfeiture
    In our final conversation of the year, our SVP of Client Relations, Joanna Summers, sits down with Stefan Cassella, a former federal prosecutor with more than three decades of experience in international asset forfeiture who has authored over 50 law review articles and played a pivotal role in shaping and advancing federal asset forfeiture laws in the US and abroad.In this episode, Joanna and Stef explore the growing role of cryptocurrency in criminal investigations and asset forfeiture, highlighting its use in money laundering, investment fraud, and sanctions evasion. Together, they unpack the complexities of high-profile cases like Bitcoin Fog, the challenges posed by mixers and decentralised exchanges, and the significance of recent court rulings in legitimising blockchain analysis tools. Stefan also shares practical advice for law enforcement and attorneys navigating the crypto landscape, highlighting the need for enhanced training and resources to address these evolving threats and the critical role of non-conviction-based asset forfeiture, or civil asset forfeiture, as a key law enforcement tool.Timestamps02:00 - Stef’s Background03:00 - The Growing Role of Cryptocurrency in Asset Forfeiture07:00 - Understanding Civil Asset Forfeiture11:00 - Regulatory Challenges and the Future of Crypto Laws14:30 - Complexities of Crypto Mixers and Decentralized Exchanges19:30 - The Legitimacy of Blockchain Analysis Tools in Court23:00 - Practical Advice for Law Enforcement and Attorneys in Crypto Forfeiture24:00 - Insights from Stefan’s Money Laundering and Forfeiture Digest26:00 - Key Challenges in Crypto Asset ForfeitureResources Mentionedhttps://www.trmlabs.com/tackling-crypto-crime-2023-survey-of-law-enforcement https://assetforfeiturelaw.us/ https://www.fatf-gafi.org/en/publications/Fatfrecommendations/Bestpracticesonconfiscationrecommendations4and38andaframeworkforongoingworkonassetrecovery.html https://sherwood.news/crypto/momentum-builds-for-a-strategic-national-bitcoin-reserve-but-what-does-that/ https://academy.assetreality.com/student/page/149456-virtual-asset-transfer-fundamentals About our Guest:Stefan Cassella is a former federal prosecutor with more than three decades of experience in international asset forfeiture who has authored over 50 law review articles and played a pivotal role in shaping and advancing federal asset forfeiture laws in the USA and abroad.Today, as the founder of Asset Forfeiture Law, he continues to provide invaluable guidance to law enforcement, private law firms, and financial institutions by providing expert witness services, training, and legal guidance.DisclaimerOur podcasts are for informational purposes only. They are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, and/or investment advice. Listeners must consult their own advisors before making decisions on the topics discussed. Asset Reality has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Asset Reality employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Asset Reality does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material. Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Asset Reality.
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  • Ep. 17: There's No Such Thing As Crypto Crime
    In this special episode of Seize & Desist, our host, Aidan Larkin, sits down with blockchain intelligence specialist, author and Asset Reality co-founder Nick Furneaux for a behind-the-scenes look at his second book, ‘There’s No Such Thing As Crypto Crime’, and the challenges of writing it over the last two years while balancing work, family, and building a house.Nick shares his journey from leaving school at 16 with no qualifications to becoming one of the world’s foremost authorities in crypto investigations, having analyzed over $20 billion worth of crypto-related crime and trained thousands of investigators globally.Aidan and Nick also discuss the growing challenges for law enforcement, the role of AI in fighting scams, the rise of organised crypto crime, and why education and better training are essential for tackling the evolving world of cryptocurrency.Timestamps02:00 - Nick’s background06:00 - Nick’s first experience with crypto14:00 - Lessons from Yap Island: How Public Ledgers Work16:00 - Why investigators must understand crypto18:00 - Why so many scams use cryptocurrency25:00 - Understanding the appeal of Bitcoin ATMs33:00 - The challenges presented by AI38:30 - Building a future of accessible crypto educationResources MentionedThere's No Such Thing as Crypto Crime: An Investigative HandbookInvestigating Cryptocurrencies: Amazon.co.uk The world's first crypto auction: Asset Reality's origin story Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System Sweden pays drug dealer £1m after seizing his Bitcoin Operation ShamrockBillion-dollar cyberfraud industry expands in Southeast Asia as criminals adopt new technologieshttps://www.linkedin.com/posts/aidan-larkin-29810781_bitcoinatm-moneylaundering-activity-7259916571886694400-AUpI/ TRON, Tether, and TRM Labs Establish First-Ever Private Sector Financial Crime Unit to Combat Crypto Crime | TRM InsightsVirtual Asset Transfer Fundamentals | Asset Reality Academy About our GuestNick Furneaux is a leading blockchain intelligence specialist with over 20 years of experience in computer security and forensics. He is the author of ‘Investigating Cryptocurrencies’ (2018) and ‘There’s No Such Thing As Crypto Crime’ (2024), the only books focused on investigating crypto-related criminal activity. Nick also serves as a Blockchain Intelligence Expert at TRM Labs and is the co-founder of Asset Reality.Over the course of his career, Nick has contributed to high-profile investigations in fraud, murder, terrorism, and child protection, focusing on live data acquisition, volatile data analysis, and the role of cryptocurrency in criminal activity.A sought-after speaker at global conferences such as SOCEX and ACFE, Nick regularly provides training to governments, law enforcement, and corporations worldwide on advanced forensic techniques.DisclaimerOur podcasts are for informational purposes only. They are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, and/or investment advice. Listeners must consult their own advisors before making decisions on the topics discussed. Asset Reality has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Asset Reality employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Asset Reality does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material. Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Asset Reality.
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  • Ep. 16: The Future of Tax Compliance in Cryptocurrency
    “If the decision-makers keep deciding that digital assets are just this fringe thing, there’s going to be a missed opportunity”In this episode of Seize & Desist, our host, Aidan Larkin, explores tax compliance and enforcement in cryptocurrency with Miles Fuller, the director of government solutions at Taxbit, former senior counsel with the IRS Office of Chief Counsel and former Special Assistant United States Attorney.Miles shares his background in tax litigation with the IRS and provides insights into how Taxbit helps to trace criminal assets by combining on-chain and off-chain data to gain a comprehensive view of an individual's tax obligations.They also discuss the suitability of existing digital asset seizure legislation, the IRS’ use of John Doe summons to obtain information from exchanges and the delicate balance between ensuring privacy in cryptocurrency transactions and preventing tax evasion before examining and speculating on the future of tax-related asset seizures.Timestamps00:00 - Special Announcement - Asset Reality’s partnership with Taxbit03:00 - Miles’ background with the IRS07:00 - Investigative tools and data aggregation in asset seizures10:30 - Tracing tools and address attribution in tax investigations11:30 - Integrating complex financial data for tax calculations13:00 - Streamlining financial investigations with crypto data tools16:00 - Challenges of detecting fraud in the virtual asset space21:00 - John Doe Summons in tax evasion investigations26:00 - Balancing privacy and compliance in blockchain transactions32:30 - Challenges of virtual asset seizures by governments41:00 - The future of tax compliance in the digital asset eraResources MentionedAsset Reality and Taxbit Partner to Enhance Digital Asset Seizure and ManagementDigital Asset Brokers: A Complete Guide to US Tax Compliance - Taxbit About our Guest:Miles Fuller is the Director of Government Solutions at Taxbit.As a former senior counsel with the IRS Office of Chief Counsel and former Special Assistant United States Attorney, Miles has a wealth of experience in tax-related asset seizures, having represented the IRS before the United States Tax Court, and has deep expertise in virtual asset tax and compliance issues, including regulatory guidance and policy development. Miles is also skilled in advanced investigation techniques for digital assets and has played a pivotal role in developing strategies to navigate the complexities of digital currency regulations.DisclaimerOur podcasts are for informational purposes only. They are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, and/or investment advice. Listeners must consult their own advisors before making decisions on the topics discussed. Asset Reality has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Asset Reality employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Asset Reality does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material. Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Asset Reality.
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  • Ep. 15: Beyond Bars: Fighting Crime Through Asset Forfeiture
    “The bad guys are going to continue to find ways to hide money in plain sight.”In this episode, Asset Reality’s US Compliance Officer David Tyree shares his experiences with asset seizures while working as a Resident Agent in Charge at the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).David explores the complexities of non-conviction-based forfeiture with our host Aidan Larkin, emphasising the importance of tracing the assets back to criminal activities and the influence of adverse media on law enforcement decisions.They also delve into the global challenges in asset recovery, consider how public and private sector partnerships can help tackle future obstacles in the field, explore the social reuse of seized assets and discuss why criminals prefer jail time over asset confiscation. Timestamps00:00 - Special Announcement - Register for Seize: London00:00 - Special Announcement - Virtual Assets Transfer Fundamentals Certification04:30 - Fighting Crime Through Asset Forfeiture07:40 - Navigating Controversies in Civil Asset Forfeiture18:00 - The Challenges of Seizing Cash24:00 - Civil Forfeiture Process Explained29:30 - Opportunities in Global Asset Recovery36:00 - Reinvesting Seized Assets for Community Benefit40:30 - Solutions in Crypto Asset Seizure and ForfeitureResources MentionedUnited States v. Gonzales, No. 18-8017 (10th Cir. 2019) :: JustiaMan indicted on money laundering, marijuana charges | Wyoming | gillettenewsrecord.comColorado, Wyoming restaurants accused of laundering drug money (denverpost.com)UNODC Factsheet: Money-laundering and related illicit financial activities About our GuestDavid Tyree is the US Compliance Officer for Asset Reality, following a 25-year career as a Special Agent for the United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). Throughout his service, David specialised in identifying, disrupting and dismantling sophisticated money laundering networks around the world, with a strong emphasis on investigating Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs) which resulted in the forfeiture of over $80 million in criminal proceeds.Since 2004, David has been a regular instructor for the Department of Justice’s Money Laundering and Asset Recovery Section (MLARS), the United States Attorney’s Office and the United States Department of Justice. Based on David’s successful contributions to asset forfeiture in the US, he was designated in Federal Court as a money laundering detection and prevention subject matter expert and also consults as a subject matter expert for assetforfeiturelaw.us.DisclaimerOur podcasts are for informational purposes only. They are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, and/or investment advice. Listeners must consult their own advisors before making decisions on the topics discussed. Asset Reality has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Asset Reality employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Asset Reality does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material. Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Asset Reality.
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Welcome to Seize & Desist - the first podcast to explore the fascinating and complex world of seized assets. In this show, Asset Reality co-founder and CEO Aidan Larkin will be joined by some of the industry’s most influential and renowned experts to discuss their perspectives on the latest headlines, trends and challenges shaping the future of global asset recovery. They’ll explore how asset recovery impacts individuals and organisations alike and how it's evolving to keep pace with emerging technological advancements like cryptocurrencies, NFTs and other virtual assets. Whether you're new to the world of seized asset recovery or a seasoned practitioner, join us inside the world of asset recovery and uncover the stories shaping its future. Subscribe to be the first to hear new episodes of Seize & Desist. Connect with Asset Reality on social media: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/asset-reality/ Twitter (X): https://twitter.com/asset_reality Stay up-to-date with the latest industry developments by reading our blog: https://www.assetreality.com/blog Connect with our host Aidan Larkin on social media: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aidan-larkin-29810781/ Twitter (X): https://twitter.com/AidanJLarkin Seize & Desist is for informational purposes only and is not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, and/or investment advice. Listeners must consult their own advisors before making decisions on the topics discussed. Asset Reality has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Asset Reality employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Asset Reality does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material. Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Asset Reality.
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